The ARRL DXCC committee had decided to validate a “hobby activity” even if this activity was not in agreement with the french regulations law, cept recommandations and our “ham spirit view”.

Can anybody go in a cept country and use a foreign club call sign instead of his personnal country call? The ARRL answer is “Yes”.

The settlement of DXCC, in his point III.1 shows: ?Conversely, findings by a host government indicating non-compliance with their amateur radio regulations may cause denial or revocation of accreditation.?

Why ARRL does not respect the french law and CEPT Recommandation ? Because this is not important in fact to respect the regulations in this game.

As the dxcc point III.1 says “may cause denial or revocation” that means there is a open door. Who are the gate keepers ? Where is the yellow line ?

ARRL loses the real opportunity to remember to the ham community what would be the “ham spirit attitude” in this kind of new dxcc event, specially in a country where there are hams…

DXCC committee has made his choice. There is sovereign, over the country host regulations, because I understand that ARRL is not under any regulations. They apply their own rules for a private money game named “DXCC program award”.

As in any private money game, there are champions, fair players, robbers and cheats.

I am happy for those who will receive the QSL card which is OK now for this award.

In few weeks they can put a cross in a table, sent dollars to ARRL and forget all this history.

Best 73 Laurent F6GOX

FJ/OH2AM operations are approved for DXCC credit. NC1L DXCC Desk

ARRL, by the DXCC Desk : Bill Moore, sign are up-side from the French laws and Rules. In this conditions, I will stop all help about any operators like to came in St barthelemy. More information later.
You came in St Barthelemy at your risk ! If you have any problem, call NC1L !
IN THE RESPECT OF THE LAW AND RULES OF THE FRENCH REPUBLIC

PHIL FJ5DX

Jean de la Fontaine
dans “Les animaux malades de la Peste”, Fables, Livre VII.

ZCZC AE03
QST de W1AW
DX Bulletin 3 ARLD003
>From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT January 11, 2008
To all radio amateurs

SB DX ARL ARLD003
ARLD003 Information on FJ/OH2AM

This operation by OH2BH and OH0XX was conducted under CEPT
Recommendation T/R 61-01. This Recommendation makes it possible for
radio amateurs from CEPT countries (and certain non-CEPT countries)
to operate in other CEPT countries without obtaining an individual
temporary license from the visited CEPT country.

Complaints were received from several individuals. The main thrust
of the complaints is that the operators used a club call for which
Laine is station trustee, rather than their individual callsigns.

The intention of the operators in using a single callsign was to
limit the number of duplicate contacts. Many DXpeditions use club or
special-issue callsigns for this reason. The Recommendation makes no
mention of club callsigns but says that the visiting license holder
“must use his national call sign preceded by the call sign prefix of
the visited country.” Other operations using club callsigns from
French territory, including in the Caribbean, have taken place under
provisions of the Recommendation and have been credited for DXCC.

Since the question was raised, checking with various CEPT
administrations and with the European Radiocommunication Office
(ERO) has revealed different views regarding the use of club
callsigns under the Recommendation. The ERO observes that the use of
a club callsign could prevent an administration from determining
whether a particular operator is qualified and concludes, “Club
members, including the holder of the club call sign, should use
their national personal call signs when abroad.”

In the case of FJ/OH2AM, the two operators clearly were qualified to
operate in St Barthelemy under the Recommendation. They utilized a
call authorized to them by their national authority. The purpose of
a radio station callsign is to identify the administration and the
licensee responsible for the operation of the station. The use of
FJ/OH2AM rather than FJ/OH2BH and FJ/OH0XX did not thwart this
purpose.
NNNN
/EX

Many thanks for your clear answer.

Best regards

Laurent BEUGNET F6GOX

Alexander Gulyaev a ?Šcrit :
> Dear Laurent,
>
> Your understanding of the situation with national and club call signes is correct.
> Club call signs are not covered by Recommendation T/R 61-01 and should be considered at the national level only.
> As you understand, classifications to join the club could be different from HAREC requirements which are associated with CEPT Licence. Club members, including the holder of the club call sign, should use their national personal call signs when abroad (in the participating in T/R 61-01 country).
>
> Regards,
> **********************************************************
> Alexander GULYAEV
> Regulatory Affairs
> European Radiocommunications Office
>
> Office: + 45 33 89 63 13
> Mobile: + 45 20 82 80 24
> Fax: + 45 33 89 63 30
> http://www.ero.dk
> ***********************************************************
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Mette J Konner Sent: 10 January 2008 10:25
> To: Alexander Gulyaev
> Subject: FW: Respect of the 2.3 cept tr 61-01 rule
>
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: lbeugnet [mailto:lbeugnet@free.fr]
> Sent: 10. januar 2008 10:04
> To: Mette J Konner
> Cc: fj5dx; dxcc@arrl.org; radiocom@ficora.fi; Claude-Robert DELIME
> Subject: Respect of the 2.3 cept tr 61-01 rule
>
> Dear Sir,
>
>
> For the amateur radio stations,
>
> As the section 2.3 of the CEPT TR 61-01 Nicosia 2003 states:
>
> ?2.3 When transmitting in the visited country the licence holder must use his national call sign preceded by the call sign prefix of the visited country as indicated in Appendices II and IV. The call sign prefix and the national call sign must be separated by the character “/” (telegraphy) or the word “stroke” (telephony). ?
>
> For us, it is totally clear that a club station call sign, which is not “his” national call sign or the licence holder, can not be used because the 2.3 states than *the licence holder must use his national call sign* and by the way do not authorize the use of a club station in a visiting country other than “his” one ?
>
> The text does not mention the club station call sign *because* the text says the amateur radio visitor must use *his national call sign* .
>
> It seems there is some confusion by few amateur radio who are in charge of a club station, means chairman and not the holder of the radio club call sign which is not “his” personnal call sign.
>
> They claim to be authorize to use a club station call sign in all the cept country.
>
> Could you confirm our opinion about this rules 2.3 ?
>
> More they totally forget local rules, as each host country can used, more restricted than CEPT even if they are cept member.
>
> Many thanks for a quick reply.
>
> With my best regards.
>
> Laurent BEUGNET
> Amateur radio station F6GOX

He may well like to put a show on, but without that show your all time new one (of which he has given many) wouldn’t be in your logbook.

I’ve nothing but respect for the man. He’s a good operator, handles pileups easily (even when toiling on BS7H due to heat and lack of water).

I’m sure everyone who has replied on here has worked Martti over the years from differing locations.

Perhaps this topic should be put to bed now

Happy New Year
Sevon